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Post by Janderson on Jan 20, 2007 12:56:36 GMT -5
I have approximately 320 people on my SFI Full Access Report and I started emailing them individually yesterday asking them to finish confirming their SFI account. I ran into a problem very fast. I ended up triggering BCMI over and over and was not able to finish emailing all 320 people.
How do I email all 320 people to ask them to finish confirming their accounts with SFI without triggering BCMI warning??
I am using Outlook Express for email.
Jeff Anderson
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Post by hazenenterprises on Jan 20, 2007 14:47:52 GMT -5
Jeff -
Read the most recent NEWSLETTER from SFI, they have a email system set up in your Genealogy where you can email your affiliates through there. This hopefully will prevent the problem.
Robin
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Post by Sandi Moses on Jan 20, 2007 14:52:32 GMT -5
I have approximately 320 people on my SFI Full Access Report and I started emailing them individually yesterday asking them to finish confirming their SFI account. I ran into a problem very fast. I ended up triggering BCMI over and over and was not able to finish emailing all 320 people. How do I email all 320 people to ask them to finish confirming their accounts with SFI without triggering BCMI warning?? I am using Outlook Express for email. Jeff Anderson
This isn't very quick, but probably quicker than what you've been doing.
Create a new mailing list in GGS and manually enter your Full Access Report people. You can send them the message all at once and not trigger anything. 
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Post by Sandi Moses on Jan 20, 2007 14:54:57 GMT -5
Jeff - Read the most recent NEWSLETTER from SFI, they have a email system set up in your Genealogy where you can email your affiliates through there. This hopefully will prevent the problem. Robin
Contact Manager doesn't work with the Full Access Report people. Very annoying, IMHO, but that's the way it is. 
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 20, 2007 14:58:15 GMT -5
Jeff - Read the most recent NEWSLETTER from SFI, they have a email system set up in your Genealogy where you can email your affiliates through there. This hopefully will prevent the problem. Robin The people on the "full access report" do not receive mail through the contact manager. They receive three emails from SFI and after that we must find a way to contact them. That can be through our own email's or a follow-up system "autoresponder" . The key is to keep mailing small and controlled if using your own e-mail system. Using small mailing sometimes keeps you out of problems with your e-mail server. If you use a desk top like Group Send you will usually end up in trouble with your e-mail server because even small sends are now monitored fairly closely. The Host and ISP do not want to get themselves black listed. Michael |
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Post by hazenenterprises on Jan 20, 2007 14:58:54 GMT -5
LOL Sandi!
The Newsletter states that
"Also note that you cannot contact NON-Full Access Affiliates." I thought that meant you can contact the Full Access Affiliates.
HMMMMMM -
Robin
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 20, 2007 15:05:58 GMT -5
This comes from this weeks Question of the Week:
In fact we are being told we need to contact these people, but again you need to make sure it is limited and I would add a link to let them remove themselves from future mailings.
Since I use my own autoresponder for this that link is provided. If I were using my desktop mailer, I would include a return mail that would allow them to drop.
Michael
Here is the question of the week:
Q.) When does an Eagle Co-op sign-up become a Full-Access Affiliate?
This will vary. All sign-ups generated by Eagle Co-op are e-mailed up to three messages explaining they must confirm their decision to join the SFI Program by clicking a link included in the e-mail. The first of these is sent immediately. Hence, some of your sign-ups may upgrade to Full-Access Affiliate within seconds. Others may take a few days (when they "get around to it"). Others may require some personal follow-up(s) from you. This is why we provide you with contact information so that you can follow up as many times as you need to "close the sale." Always remember that the timing may not be right for them to become an affiliate today, but it may be right next week, or next month, or even next year. Consistent follow-up is the key so that you are there when the timing becomes right for them!
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Post by hazenenterprises on Jan 20, 2007 15:09:49 GMT -5
Michael -
What about sign-ups that you get that are not through Eagle Co-op - do the same rules apply. When I get a signup, I send personal email and put them in my GGS autoresponder.
I guess this FULL ACCESS AFFILIATE just confuses me - FULL means full - like you have everything you need, you are full.
But..... it seems that with SFI it means - you don't have anything -
Please, please explain this to my feeble brain and I will print this post!
Thanks!
Robin
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 20, 2007 15:15:24 GMT -5
Michael - What about sign-ups that you get that are not through Eagle Co-op - do the same rules apply. When I get a signup, I send personal email and put them in my GGS autoresponder. I guess this FULL ACCESS AFFILIATE just confuses me - FULL means full - like you have everything you need, you are full. But..... it seems that with SFI it means - you don't have anything - Please, please explain this to my feeble brain and I will print this post! Thanks! Robin I send everyone follow-ups, they are added at the time I read the notice from SFI that someone has joined. I make a note of the Hits tracker code so if something comes up I can say you joined from google ad, Yahoo, erich's coops, Eagle, or whatever. I also save all corespondence from SFI on these people. Michael |
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Post by hazenenterprises on Jan 20, 2007 15:18:19 GMT -5
Michael, I do the exact same thing. I have that part down to a science - LOL. I need you to explain to me which of my affiliates fall into the FULL ACCESS REPORT and justify to me why it is called that -  Robin |
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 20, 2007 16:01:27 GMT -5
Michael, I do the exact same thing. I have that part down to a science - LOL. I need you to explain to me which of my affiliates fall into the FULL ACCESS REPORT and justify to me why it is called that - Robin Those who are on the Full Access Report are the affiliate who have not "confirmed their email" by clicking on the link in the SFI confirmation e-mail. They are not suppose to have full access to all the SFI backroom pages until they do confirm. I also believe these folks "gateway pages" are not activated, therefore they cannot make sales. Michael |
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Post by Janderson on Jan 20, 2007 16:02:28 GMT -5
I'm so glad I copied down my Full Access Report yesterday when it was still in that format. They've removed that report all together. It's now mainstreamed into Genealogy Report. I read somewhere on sfidboard that Full Access Report Affiliates would be identified as Aff and confirmed affiliates would be identified as Aff+. At this point I see that Full Access Affiliates are identified as A and the confirmed Affiliates are identified as A+.
I'm going to use Global for the full access report. This will be much easier than doing it manually.
Jeff Anderson
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Post by Janderson on Jan 20, 2007 16:03:54 GMT -5
SFI also has me identified as EA rather than TL. I have 7 EA's so far.
Jeff Anderson
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Post by Sandi Moses on Jan 20, 2007 16:05:29 GMT -5
LOL Sandi! The Newsletter states that "Also note that you cannot contact NON-Full Access Affiliates." I thought that meant you can contact the Full Access Affiliates. HMMMMMM - Robin
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 20, 2007 16:17:04 GMT -5
SFI also has me identified as EA rather than TL. I have 7 EA's so far. Jeff Anderson Jeff Make sure you have EA's and EAP's showing in your listing, if not submit a bug report from the "Suggestions" Icon in the left column, then bug report. "Note" Suggestions are all also read by Gery. "hint hint". From your previous post on "Full Access Report Removal" You can download your total affiliate list here: www.sfimg.com/MyAccount/DownloadAffiliateList.sfiBut you will have to sort through it as to what status everyone is. If you are up to date as of yesterday as to their categories just keep adding them to your personal mailing list. Looks like it will be a little more record keeping on our part. Michael |
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Post by Janderson on Jan 20, 2007 16:19:20 GMT -5
I send everyone follow-ups, they are added at the time I read the notice from SFI that someone has joined. I make a note of the Hits tracker code so if something comes up I can say you joined from google ad, Yahoo, erich's coops, Eagle, or whatever. I also save all corespondence from SFI on these people. Michael I keycode everything now. I'm going to make that a habit too and I find it to be good practice. I also save all correspondence from SFI on everything. Right now I have 4 folders 1 for New Affiliate sign up, 2 for Smart Start Graduates, 3 for SFI (everything), 4 for SFI Classifieds. When I get a new affiliate sign up notice, I send him my welcome new SFI member email, when I get the smart start notices, I send a second email to them encouraging them to become an EA. Now I'm changing the way I do all that, when I get a new affiliate notice, I put his email into GGS. In fact I should download all my affiliate email addresses and put them into SFI Series at GGS. I think that would be a good idea for me to do. Jeff Anderson |
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 20, 2007 16:25:50 GMT -5
Jeff,
Yes, if you are using GGS I would do that. I try to send a e-mail that encourages them to log into SFI to review certain pages, or follow-up like updating their personal info. I do not know how many people I have that have checks waiting to be sent by SFI, but SFI does not have their correct mailing address. (This is just one example of a topic you can plug into a autoreponder series) . Another is to Walk them through the Topics covered in the PATH outline. Uses these Topics to try and entice them to become active.
Michael
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Post by Lori on Jan 20, 2007 16:53:35 GMT -5
Okay, I understand that the full access affiliates report are those who have not confirmed by clicking the link and there fore don’t have full access…But, here’s what I don’t understand… I have quite a few affiliates that are listed in both my full access report and in my genealogy. Now here’s the kicker…I received notifications that they have completed Smart Start! If they are on my full access report and they don’t have full access…how did they complete smart start??? I would think you would need to confirm to be able to complete smart start…to me, this doesn’t make sense.  I can’t see how the full access report would be reliable right now. I certainly can’t send them an email to please confirm their registration and at the same time congratulate them for completing smart start. Do ya see what I’m getting at?  Lori |
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 20, 2007 17:29:18 GMT -5
Okay, I understand that the full access affiliates report are those who have not confirmed by clicking the link and there fore don’t have full access…But, here’s what I don’t understand… I have quite a few affiliates that are listed in both my full access report and in my genealogy. Now here’s the kicker…I received notifications that they have completed Smart Start! If they are on my full access report and they don’t have full access…how did they complete smart start??? I would think you would need to confirm to be able to complete smart start…to me, this doesn’t make sense. I can’t see how the full access report would be reliable right now. I certainly can’t send them an email to please confirm their registration and at the same time congratulate them for completing smart start. Do ya see what I’m getting at? Lori I just did a test join and the page does open up a page that would allow someone to proceed to Smart Start and not receive the confirmation e-mail. I just received a notice that I do have a new affiliate, I also used an e-mail that does not exist from one of my own domain names, and have not received a confirmation mail at this time.I just complete the Smart Start and Path parts, still I have not confirmer and have not received an e-mail for confirmation. I just received my notice that this person has completed Smart Start... There are notices on the "new 'members' SFI Login they need to confirm....When I check the status of my test member they do not have full access status "A" but have "C" completed Smart Start. So: Those who DO NOT HAVE Full Access can indeed be a Smart Start Graduate....as well as PATH competed affiliate.
They just have not confirmed their e-mail...We learn something new..  ps. this B*****S affiliates gateway does work...?? Michael Updated:
I added the B*****S address and confirmed the test affiliate....
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Post by hazenenterprises on Jan 20, 2007 17:35:00 GMT -5
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ~
So, we must conclude that they can actually be an active member doing what they must but they just have not double opted-in to SFI because they have not opened/received that email maybe.
Interesting.....
Robin
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Post by Janderson on Jan 21, 2007 7:44:05 GMT -5
When using GGS with the SFI Series, am I supposed to be using %%Firstname%% ? I sent a mailout yesterday and one guy returned my email back to me showing that I had [[firstname]] showing instead of his first name in it.
Jeff Anderson
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Post by Janderson on Jan 21, 2007 7:54:49 GMT -5
I answered my own question.. With Getresponse it is [[firstname]] and with GGS it is %%firstname%%. Fixed that.
Jeff Anderson
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Post by Nancy on Jan 21, 2007 8:19:16 GMT -5
Here is something that happened with one of my affilitaes, He signed up, received the email to double opt in; from is home page he was told that he would receive confirmation in his email. When he went to check his email, no message from SFI. Went back into SFI, a message from SFI saying he had to confirm. He checked his email and SFI had the right one, he checked his white list, SFI was in there, He contacted me, I told him to contact SFI about a technical issue, since he was receiving my emails, including the welcome I send through SFI.
He still has a request to confirm on his home page. He has tried to reconfirm, same thing happens. Luckily he is continuing on with his traiining while SFI tries to figure out what the problem is.
I was just wondering if any of your affiliates have mentioned this happening to them, or if it is happening and the affiliates are not mentioning it to their sponsors.
Nancy
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Post by Lori on Jan 21, 2007 21:08:45 GMT -5
Hi Michael… Thanks for taking the time to do a “test” run…I do appreciate it! Now, I am convinced that this totally does not make sense…at least to me it don’t. I am lost for words that you were able to complete smart start including your personalized path even without confirming first??? Thanks again for your time  Lori |
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Post by Sandi Moses on Jan 21, 2007 21:34:24 GMT -5
This just blows me away, too. I hope SFI sees how illogical this is. IMHO, they should do away with the confirmation and get on with the training. I wonder how many Smart Start graduates are not receiving the weekly updates because they didn't click on that one link? Just boggles (what's left of) the mind! 
Sandi
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Post by futureadvantage on Jan 21, 2007 21:35:16 GMT -5
Hi Michael… Thanks for taking the time to do a “test” run…I do appreciate it! Now, I am convinced that this totally does not make sense…at least to me it don’t. I am lost for words that you were able to complete smart start including your personalized path even without confirming first??? Thanks again for your time Lori Does seem like it defeats the purpose of even bothering to send the confirmation e-mail. Plus someone can use a false e-mail address and yet be an an affiliate, without ever confirming. They do have full access also... Kinda puzzling. I did send an inquiry to Gery, but have not heard back, yet but It is the weekend. Michael |
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Post by hazenenterprises on Jan 21, 2007 22:13:47 GMT -5
Michael,
Thanks for inquiring - I would just like to understand the means of Full Access and the process that affiliates go through when they sign up. It would be very beneficial to us to know exactly what SFI is doing and any bumps it may cause on our side. I do believe in seeing an offer more than once but too much can be annoying also. Would be nice to know
exacly what is happening with the confirmation emails. As long as they are receiving ours (something) then at least we aren't just letting them fall between the cracks.
Let me know when you hear from Gery.
Robin
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Post by hazenenterprises on Jan 21, 2007 23:59:40 GMT -5
Michael,
Here is my take on things after going into the Newly Designed SFI site. I read through things and looked at the reports and read through this post again and this is what I determine.....
The main purpose of the Full Access Report is to let us know who has not opted in through the site with by confirmation to the email that SFI sent. Since they have not confirmed, they go into this report.
Now, they can be in this report and be very active but just never gained full access to SFI's mailings. This means they are not receiving updates about changes, newsletters, etc.. It would be in their best interest to be receiving these notices (we know that).
So..... those of us that are personally emailing them and sending them info thru GGS (or similar) should encourage them to confirm so they can gain this access. Maybe they just don't know what they are confirming or understand .... or ..... maybe they just haven't come back, changed their mind (and did not opt out) ,etc..
Therefore.... by george I think i have got it - (I know you are saying - thank goodness!) I will add something about this in my campaign.
Robin
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Post by Lori on Jan 22, 2007 8:03:42 GMT -5
This just blows me away, too. I hope SFI sees how illogical this is. IMHO, they should do away with the confirmation and get on with the training. I wonder how many Smart Start graduates are not receiving the weekly updates because they didn't click on that one link? Just boggles (what's left of) the mind!
Sandi Exactly Sandi…If they do not confirm, they will not receive emails from SFI. They are missing out on important notices…which would include the important notice of how many affiliates are being added under them in the powerline…this is no good! Lori |
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Post by Janderson on Jan 25, 2007 11:40:51 GMT -5
Michael - What about sign-ups that you get that are not through Eagle Co-op - do the same rules apply. When I get a signup, I send personal email and put them in my GGS autoresponder. I guess this FULL ACCESS AFFILIATE just confuses me - FULL means full - like you have everything you need, you are full. But..... it seems that with SFI it means - you don't have anything - Please, please explain this to my feeble brain and I will print this post! Thanks! Robin I send everyone follow-ups, they are added at the time I read the notice from SFI that someone has joined. I make a note of the Hits tracker code so if something comes up I can say you joined from google ad, Yahoo, erich's coops, Eagle, or whatever. I also save all corespondence from SFI on these people. Michael Right now I have two contact lists on GGS one is for all the SFI Affiliates and the second contact list is LC list. I have them both going through the same SFI Series. I get one or two keycode 1200 affiliates just about everyday, I have been adding the 1200 affiliates to my Affiliates list manually. I hope that is the correct way to be doing it. Not adding 1200 keycode affiliates to a new contact list rather than adding them into a contact list that is already running a campaign? On AffiliateFuel - use Advertiser not Publishing? On BizOpp - use Advertiser not Publishing? I am still editing my website and wanted to make sure I have the above all correct. Jeff Anderson |
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