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[Phillip978]

hello all,

i came across this site after a search for home based business on google. very interesting indeed. since then, i have read different posts on this forum a couple hours here and there after my 3 y.o son goes to bed. it's the only time i have. those who are parents know exactly what i'm talking about

after having a long conversation with ken tim (thank you, sir), i have a better grasp of the business and how it works. i don't mind hard work. i owned a few retail businesses before and i know what what hard work is. nothing comes easy when you want to make money. if it is, everyone does it.

let's forget erich for a second. we all know he's making lots of money. what are you guys making daily, weekly or monthly since you joined the system? guys like chris, adam, sandra...etc? can some of you give me some numbers? i just need to hear straight answers. ken tim gave me straight answers.

thank you,
phillip

[Phillip978]

30 read and not a single reply...wow!

[garovich]

You have obviously read some of the other success stories. There should be more than enough information for you. I certainly wouldn't still be here if I was wasting my time (nor would others), but I've have had more than a few $400 days gross. Others have done much better, some not quite as well.

Not everyone comes here on the weekend or is available to answer your questions when you think they should. Have a little patience next time and the answers will come. Just because it's been read 30 times doesn't mean it has been read by people that are in profit mode.

Gary

[shellymac]

Philly,

I am fairly new at this and I'm still in learning mode. I NEVER made ANY money online previously...there are so many scams out there...(I just lost money . I know when I firrst came to this forum I was looking for concrete answers. But basically, it is all what you put into it. I am probably not making as much as some others, only for the fact that I don't have the funds to put into advertising at this moment. But I do know that this program works EXACTLY how Erich has layed it out. I am making small amounts of money each day from all the programs that are on my site. I have faith that the program works...the testimonies are real, and it takes a little bit of patience and determination.

Shelly

[Phillip978]

gary, thank you. $400/day gross is phenomenal. may i assume that half of it is net? regardless, it's extremely outstanding.

shelly, i guess you know what i was looking for. i needed that concrete answers from people that are actually doing. as we all know, there are too many scams on the net and you don't know which one is to believe despite all the great testimonials. i am feeling much better now after getting replies from tim, shawna, gary and you.

thank you all and i look forward to reading more replies from others.

best,
phillip

[Tim]

Hi Phil,
Like we talked about, the site that you are building has a "built in Profit Margin". When you reach a consistent level of visitors of 400 per day for a month you will make a minimum of $75 per day on the site.

I have not reached near 400 per day on a consistent bases, but the amount of income I have seen from my site supports the above statement.

The best part is that there are lots of people here who have reached 400 per day and they will help me if I have any questions.

For the most part, I don't have any questions because most every thing is stated in the third phase and this forum already.

I know you will do well with TOPS

Tim

[garovich]

These $400 days have been my high days.

In general I operate at a 60-65% profit margin. However I've also spent $200 in a day advertising and broke even. Another day I have spent less than $100 and made over $300 net. The net can vary greatly day to day.

Gary

philly said:

gary, thank you. $400/day gross is phenomenal. may i assume that half of it is net? regardless, it's extremely outstanding.

[stirls]

Phil - I think you will find that many of those that are seeing success are reluctant to post exactly how successful they are to protect themselves. I would agree with Gary that the net amount can very but if you follow the direction of Erich this is a no lose situation. It does take time, effort and some money to advertise - but these sites generate $$$. My ROI is uausally around 25% a day. I have had days with as high as $500 net profit and other days as low a $5 net profit.

My advice to you is do not get stuck in analysis peralysis - if you are interested then get off the bench and get in the game.

Chris

[Erich]

A large number of the Tops 3PP affiliates have taken what they have learned and are earning big profits and see no reason for coming here and sharing with others... That is what you call "Taking care of number one"

However, you will find many others who are doing well who do come here and share with others. All you have to do is look at the success stories.... here and on our website... I could put 20-30 more success stories [submitted to me] up on the website but don't see the purpose... there are enough there already.

Most others prefer to maintain their privacy and I always respect that...

The bottom line is this program has worked for several years now and will continue to work indefinitely for all who are willing to make the commitment and dedicate themselves to becoming successful.

If you will do the work and follow the instructions... you will become profitable just like all who have gone before you...

Erich

[Phillip978]

erich, i can understand that. nonetheless, i still think more people should post their success up here. when i read one of the posts from kevin petty and see how successful he is, i called him. guess what? the # isn't in service. hmmm.

fortunately, i i got a # from tim kent. we talked about 30-40 minutes and the conversation was great. the man is just straight forward.

most of your testimonials do not indicate how much they are making. all i know from your site is that you're making a lot of money. you're the only one. yes, i know you've been in this business for 7-8 years. i just want to hear from members that have been in the business for 1-2 years and see what income they had made within that time frame. yes, just like anything, it costs money to make money. i absolutely understand that. bottom line is that am trying to get some concrete answers from some of the people in here. i don't know why they are so private about it. it's not like am asking for their bank acct #.

i had a talk with tim today. i told him that if i were to join and become successful at it, i'll tell anyone that wants to know. then again, that's me. it's a motivating tool to show people how successful you are, especially IF you want to have downliners.

best,
phillip

[tlansley]

Hi Phillip, some people are different-if I was making thousands per day then I would let everyone know-but not everyone is the same. When I first signed up for the program there wasn't even a success stories post. But I took it that at that time 300 people don't all lie. Have some faith and if you don't want to persue this then good luck.

[stirls]

Phillip,

there are a couple of general rules in life that you are asking for people to break in order for you to make your decision.

1 - the fastest ways to lose friends is to brag about how much money you make.

For this reason many people do not like to discuss how much they are earning from their TOPS sites. Then if you add on the fact that this is an open forum and complete strangers are able to view posts here - the likleyhood of someone actually posting what they make is slim to none. Erich has posted cheques on his site proving what he makes and has put in place saftey measures to ensure no harm is done to him by doing so. The rest of us have not taken those precautions.

2 - The general rule in life is that 1 person out of 10 who have a positive experience will speak about it but 6 out of 10 who have a bad experience will speak about it.

Based on this you only need to go to the success thread to see those that are making money and multiply that 10 times to get a feeling if this program works or not. Go to other work at home forums and see if you can find that kind of success - I haven't see it yet.

You are expecting a lot of information many people find uncomfortable to be giving out, especially to a person who nobody in this forum knows. The fact that you have asked all these questions but have your settings to hide your own email address makes me wonder about your motives. Before you go around asking people for their incomes why don't you post who and what you are all about - Open up to us and then maybe we will open up to you.

Bottom line is if you are serious about wanting to succeed online - this is the best place to start. I said it before - get off the bench and get in the game.

[Michael Gale]

Phillip,

This is a "forum" not a balance sheet of someones business. Many of us are private and only making $20-$30 on a good day. Some people are willing to share their achievements as a way to let others know the system started working for them, it is by no means a requirement, and I think it is unfair of you to even ASK!

This forum is a place to discuss ideas that work and don't work, and assist others in building their websites. We all do this voluntarily as a way to "pay back" for the help we received in the beginning.

You have to make the decision to get involved or not for yourself based on the systems merits and not by the amount others are making. You would have different numbers anyway based on what you put into the system, how you advertise etc.

"Do It" or "Don't Do It" but don't request others private information for that decision making process.

Michael G.

PS Afterthought: Try this! Go down to your local "work for a day", "Workforce", "Job Placement Service" then request to speak to the owner, manager or president. When they meet with you, "which I am sure the will" explain to them that you are considering starting a work placement service of your own, but you will need to get confirmation that "YOU" will make a profit before you start your business. So, if they would be so kind as to retrieve and disclose to you their Profit/Loss statement for the previous year then you will be on your way. LOL
This is what you are asking!

[Erich]

Phillip

I don't understand why you are so interested in the money that others are making with Tops. I post my income because I am the owner and need to be totally exposed for those who decide to follow me.

However, it is completely different for our affiliates. That is mostly private information for them. Let me expand a bit on what Michael has posted. If you were thinking of starting or buying a "subway" affiliate franchise... would you go to a local owner and ask him how much he is making???

The program does essentially stand on it's own merits... You are going to invest a total of $59.40 to get started and perhaps [if you choose] another few dollars monthly for you own domain.

Pardon me for being blunt... but how much information do you need for that kind of investment???

Take Care

Erich

[garovich]

Erich,

Thanks for posting the obvious question about the size of the investment and how much information is needed to make a decision.

Phillip,

The fact is it's belief in yourself that will make or break you. I had a lot less information than you do now when I started. My thoughts were 'if he can do it I can do it'.

You certainly don't see any one here begging you to join simply because it doesn't make a difference for most of us one way or the other. It's my own view that it's better that you don't.

Skepticism is good but frankly your insinuation about Kevin and (by extension) this program crossed the line for me.

Gary

[zeta]

Phillip,
I can see you are skeptical, I was too when I first looked into it. I wrote a few people emails with a few questions, but I didn't hound them on how much money they were making. I learned right away they were sincere people, willing to answer my emails, and they praised Erich. So I put my trust into it and jumped in.
I have had good money making days and not so good days. I am still learning and I think I have done pretty darn good for a new Internet Business with no experience!

It is like anything else, there are good days and there are bad days! The more you learn, the less mistakes you will make. The more you put into it, time and money, the more you will get out of it.
I love the freedom, getting paid while I am out running around for another business I have going.

With that said, you can ask 100 people here how much they make and get 100 different answerer's because everybody's web sites are a little different, everybody's work ethics are different, everybody's budgets are different and everybody advertising techniques are different.

That is the beauty of this adventure. It is YOUR business!

You can work as little or as much as you want. You can put a little into advertising or a lot. It is your business, you run it the way you want. The more you put into it, the more you get out of it.

Asking and begging people to tell you how much they make isn't going to mean anything. It is just a number. There are so many factors that go into that number. How much do they work it? How much do they spend on advertising? How long have they been in it? What offers do they have on their site? Is their site optimized? Where are they advertising? See what I am getting at? A dollar figure isn't going to prove anything to you.

There are gracious people who have gotten excited when they have done good and posted in the success stories thread. Do you think we would be posting those if we weren't making money? The proof is already in the forum posts. You can believe in yourself and give it your best to see if it works for you, or you can
show people you are afraid to jump in and never do anything and always wonder..

But if you sit back and wonder you will never have a day like I had yesterday. Running errands for a real estate business we have, and still making money on my Internet business while I was gone, then coming home and finding 2 checks in the mailbox. One from Clickbank and one from Google.
A few weeks ago there were 6 checks all in one day! Was I excited - well duh of course I was. And no I am not going to say how much they were for because that really doesn't mean anything - remember?

Do you think this forum would have 1030 members since February 2006 if this opportunity was not the best in the world and worked. Look around at other opportunities and forums.

Oh well - enough said.
Good luck on whatever you decide or find.


Zeta

[Phillip978]

it's great to see more members are replying. i really enjoyed reading them vvery much. they are very insightful.

i wish you all the successs in the world. thank you all

to your success,
phillip

[rebekaho5]

Hi there Phillip,

I noticed a couple things in your post. But first I would like to address something you said.

"Let's forget about Erich" No, let's not forget about him. It is only because of Erich's spirit of giving, excellent sales abilities, follow through, and genuine concern for people that he is where he is, and more importantly, that we have this opportunity.

Phillip, you seem to be talking yourself out of this opportunity. You simply need to believe that you Can be at the level that Erich is at. If I didn't believe that I wouldn't be here. You have to BELIEVE if he can do it so can I!

There is no room for negative thinking. You simply can not waste your time worrying about what everyone else is making. I kindly ask you not to be rude.

Only YOU can define where your mark will be in this business. Replace your skepticism with hunger.

Or simply ask yourself this, how many people will it take to tell you that they made x amount of dollars for you to believe...

You said you had retail business before, so I trust you are a smart individual.

Follow Erich's guide, believe in yourself, and please stay positive. Only YOU limit yourself.

[Phillip978]

rebekah, thank you for the input.

[rebekaho5]

Your welcome Phillip. We are all here because we have a common goal. We try to stay really positive and lift each other up.

Getting started in a new business is such a risk. There are so many people who may be waiting for you to fail or may not believe in you. That's why when that voice comes into your head (self-doubt/skepticism) it's a god idea to come here and read some posts.

You will not find a single soul here who will want anything but to see you succeed. But hey, a little friendly competition is a great motivator too.

All I can say is you don't need to search anymore for the right opportunity, rather search within yourself for the courage to bring your dream to fruition.

I wish you all the best with the program.

Rebekah

[Lori G.]

Very well said Rebekah. You have a great attitude which will motivate you to succeed!

Keep it up and don't hesitate to come here and spread some of that motivation around. ;D

Lori