Printed Copy vs On Line Viewed Copy

[Erich]

You need to provide the url address of your #2 if you want some feedback and help developing the website...

Erich




8/11/07- ADDENDUM; I guess the person [ miledu1?] who started this thread deleted their original post??? I don't know why my response is showing as the first message in this thread?

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

As Erich said, you will need to provide your web site URL in order for us to be able to look at your site and provide you with any specific help. Please see the following FAQ board post for instructions on how to add your web site URL to your forum profile's Signature and Web Site URL fields so that it is always automatically available with each of your posts:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=faq&thread=1184834593

Troy

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

I see you have added the requested URLs to your forum profile, however you will still need to fix them...the signature URL works, but when attempting to bring up the page, I get a box that says "Mil's Private Files" and it prompts me for a username and password in order to view it. Cancelling this box results in a "401 Unauthorized" error saying that I must enter a username and password to view this page.

That goes for your home page www.milsonlinebusinessopps.com as well...perhaps you have inadvertently password-protected your entire public_html directory in vDeck. You will need to remove the restriction in order for anyone to be able to view your page.

Regarding the URL for your forum profile's house icon (Web Site URL field of profile), it contains a space after .com that you will need to remove in order to make the link clickable. Once you have corrected these issues then we should be able to take a look at your page.

I'm not sure I understood all of your earlier post....you were talking about a printed version of your site vs. the online version. If you were referring to actually printing out a hard copy of your site on paper with a printer then I would not worry about how it looks when doing this....this will vary from printer to printer and computer to computer depending on the printer drivers/software, printer fonts installed, and many other factors.

All that matters is how your site looks when viewed in a web browser. It should be checked in at least Internet Explorer and Firefox at a minimum, and if you have other browsers installed as well then so much the better. But you need to have your site appear properly in those two browsers at least since those are the two most commonly used browsers. If you don't have Firefox installed you can get it here: www.mozilla.com/firefox

Regarding Affiliate Fuel, you have to log in to your account at www.affiliatefuel.com as a Publisher and then Click on Fill Up. This will take you to all of the different categories containing offers available for you to promote. From there you can typically find the offers you will want to use in the Careers, Small Office/Home Office, and Business sections.

The offers that are available are constantly changing so you may not necessarily find all of the offers listed in the Phase 1 instructions. Those are just listed as suggestions...if you can't find one or more offers listed then you can simply choose something else to place on your site instead. In fact, you can actually just choose any offers that you want to try out on your web site and make adjustments later as needed.

Since your web site is a work at home directory, you will of course want to choose offers related to the work at home theme. The categories suggested above would be likely to have the type of offers that you would be looking for. You can choose offers from any category of course, as long as they are relevant to your site.

When you click on an offer, you are taken to a page containing "creatives" (text/banner ads and ad code) for the offer that you need to place on your site in order to promote it. The creatives are often given in html source code format...if so, you can either insert them in your page using your editor's Source view, or if you are using NVU, just position the cursor where you want the ad to appear and then go to the Insert menu and choose HTML, then paste the code into the box that appears.

Affiliate Fuel, BizOppNetwork, and ROI Rocket (in Phase 2) are all similar affiliate networks containing many different offers for you to choose from and promote. Different offers work better than others for different sites, so you will need to test and track your results once in Phase 3 and include the offers that work best for you. For now, you can just choose offers that you would like to promote and then go from there.

Troy

[miledu1]

Have modified my profile and my web page should be accessible now.
If you're still having trouble please let me know.
I'm still having trouble with wysiwyg; Everything looks on screen the way I want it to but the
print out is something else.
I've divided the header from 1 over 1a 1b to 1a over 1 over 1b -center aligned between
left Full Width PAGE (and it looks that way on screen) but it prints out 1a centered over
left aligned 1 and 1b also centered over leftaligned 1 "Work At Home Directory".

Also (I didn't touch it) but the 1st set of 3 column text appears on the screen in centered
boxed 3 columns - but on print out - the 3 column boxes disappear and only text is printed
(for all column/rows) but the 3 column text appears left Alligned ?

What don't the boxes/columns print out (with full text/cell) ? Is there anything I can do to
get the CELLS with full text to print out? What must be done to get the first row/column Cells CENTERED and not left Alligned?

[Sandi Moses]

miledu1 said:

Have modified my profile and my web page should be accessible now.
If you're still having trouble please let me know.
I'm still having trouble with wysiwyg; Everything looks on screen the way I want it to but the
print out is something else.
I've divided the header from 1 over 1a 1b to 1a over 1 over 1b -center aligned between
left Full Width PAGE (and it looks that way on screen) but it prints out 1a centered over
left aligned 1 and 1b also centered over leftaligned 1 "Work At Home Directory".

Also (I didn't touch it) but the 1st set of 3 column text appears on the screen in centered
boxed 3 columns - but on print out - the 3 column boxes disappear and only text is printed
(for all column/rows) but the 3 column text appears left Alligned ?

What don't the boxes/columns print out (with full text/cell) ? Is there anything I can do to
get the CELLS with full text to print out? What must be done to get the first row/column Cells CENTERED and not left Alligned?

The url you have in your signature requires a sign-in. I'm not sure how to fix that.

No one will ever print out your web page. If it looks OK on screen, then it is OK. I'm kind of at a loss as to why you would even work on something so unnecessary . . . .

You are designing a web page for your customers to look at online - not to print out. I think Troy already went over that . . . .

Sandi

[Erich]

When I click on the url link you have in your signature I get a Login notice???

Erich

[miledu1]

Erich &/or Anyone?
What am I doing wrong? Should I be imaging &/or Saving file to Web Page Archive or am
I doing the right thing and saving to HTML only?
Or is the problem something else ?

Also I would like to cut up Image (SFI [120x600]) banner and rearrange in 3 separate
Cells along side of one another. Where can I go to get instructions on how to cut -up
and resize the new cells/with text and images separated?

[miledu1]

I'm not quite sure about what Sandi and Troy meant when they say that if Web Page
appears on screen the way I want it to, I don't have to worry about Printing Hard Copy?
Also after I add all the required additional adds, links, images, etc. arent' I supposed to
submit my Web Page /Design and Text Content to the Forum (for approval) before I
Publish it to other Browsers, etc.?

[mpatton]

miledu1 said:

I'm not quite sure about what Sandi and Troy meant when they say that if Web Page
appears on screen the way I want it to, I don't have to worry about Printing Hard Copy?
Also after I add all the required additional adds, links, images, etc. arent' I supposed to
submit my Web Page /Design and Text Content to the Forum (for approval) before I
Publish it to other Browsers, etc.?

We just check your actual web page, as it appears from your website address. You can do go ahead and publish it to your host. I generally make my changes in my html editor in a file I call working..
when I make the change I upload it to the ipower host account, then recheck links and the appearance in both IE and foxfire browsers.

Michael

[mpatton]

miledu1 said:

I'm not quite sure about what Sandi and Troy meant when they say that if Web Page
appears on screen the way I want it to, I don't have to worry about Printing Hard Copy?
Also after I add all the required additional adds, links, images, etc. arent' I supposed to
submit my Web Page /Design and Text Content to the Forum (for approval) before I
Publish it to other Browsers, etc.?

Not sure how...but it appears that you have set your web page as a password protected page for viewing. You may want to check your settings or contact I-Power for help on this.

Michael

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

There may be a mix-up in terminology here...when you say "print out", do you mean print out on paper, or are you actually referring to how your web site displays in a web browser? Perhaps you mean the latter and we are misinterpreting because printing something out usually means putting it on paper...

In any case, please note that the view of your site displayed in a web editor such as NVU is only an approximation of how your site will ultimately appear to your visitors...it is not always accurate and should not be relied on. You should always save your web page to your hard drive and view it using a web browser such as Internet Explorer or Firefox (preferably both) to see how it will actually appear.

You can of course upload your page to your web host and then view it that way as well, and in fact sometimes you have to do this in order for certain features to work correctly. But generally speaking, viewing it from your own computer's hard drive lets you see how it will look. Don't trust the Normal view or even Preview view in your editor, always save then test view your page in the same browsers that your visitors will be using.

Your editor's Normal view also often draws extra lines around tables and so forth as well to help you determine the placement of objects...such guides will not appear on the final version of your site. This is another reason not to trust your editor's window as being exactly how your site will appear once it is live on your web hosting account.

If you wish to have lines around your table cells then you will need to configure your tables to have borders of a width of 1 pixel or greater. If they are set to a width of 0 then no borders will appear.

If you do not understand how tables work then I highly recommend that you do a bit of reading on them, as it is much more difficult to design your site, even with the aid of an editor, if you don't understand at least the basics of HTML and how web pages are displayed.

To that end, Jim has a few tutorials posted in the Website Creation Tool Kit FAQ board of the forum, including one on tables. You can view those here:

Website Creation Tool Kit
erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=tool

If you haven't yet checked it out, another resource I highly recommend to TOPS/3PP members that explains web site basics, including editing and publishing your site, is Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial web site at:

Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial site
www.theworkathomeindex.com/tops

Getting back to your site, I'm afraid that I'm still receiving the login prompt and subsequent error message that I mentioned above, and that Sandi and Erich experienced as well when trying to view your site. This has nothing to do with your forum profile...this is being caused by settings in your web hosting account, which can be configured via your vDeck control panel.

As I mentioned before, it looks like you may have inadvertently password-protected the directory containing your web site, rendering it inaccessible to others who don't have a username and password to view it. I haven't messed with this feature so I can't say for certain...that is just a guess. If you can't figure out how to correct this issue then you may need to give iPower a call to help you with this. Their contact info can be found here:

www.ipowerweb.com/contactus/index.html

Troy

P.S. I started this reply several hours ago at work when Erich's post was the last one in this thread, but it got busy there before I could finish it. However, the above info still applies.

It sounds like you're really not sure about the basics of editing and publishing/uploading web pages, so I will reiterate that it may be very helpful for you to go through Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial site that I had mentioned above, as well as his other tutorials. And you may need iPower's assistance to correct the issue with your hosting account that is preventing us from viewing your site.

[miledu1]

Hello again! Personal problems have kept me away for the past 2 months and when I got
back today and finally got my Web Page published by going to I-Power (who
removed the PASSWORD requirement) I realized that my personal problems
really seem to have affected my understanding and concentration from the
beginning.

When trying out sample Web Pages(headings differ) I was doing so using
both html (for banners and text) and Nvu (which I learned uses Power Point)
intermittently for Headings, text, etc. without converting Nvu to html and so
all my changes went for naught and therefore only Uploaded Blank files (Web
1 and Web 2) for my Web Practice Pages)
My concentrated inattenion in the past has put me back at square 1.

I guess I'll have to go back to the drawing board and learn how to Code my
endeavors in Nvu to HTML. Headings and such?

Because of the MESS I've been working with I never got around to adding
the additional Ads, Banners and Links required in this Phase to be added
to my Web page(s).

I'm sorry for wasting so much of your time and mine in the past. However
I really want to make a success of this opportunity and therefore I was
wondering if you can direct me to ?'s and/or Directions in the Forum where
I can learn and proceed how to accomplish
1. Converting Nvu to HTML
2. Add the required Ads, Banners, Links, etc. to my Web Page(s)
to be able to pass on to the next phase.

I wish to extend my apologies to all of you who have tried to help me when I really wasn't
paying apt attention to you.

I do have the tutorials for Nvu and HTML available to me. Do you reccomend that I begin
with them?, or is there another source (the Forum) that I should go to for advice ?

I would appreciate any help from you as to how I should proceed.

I really want to make a go of this (I know I can with your advice)!

[miledu1]

Guess what, concentration really pays.
By going back over the Vdeck Upload files instructions, I was able to figure out that I
neglected to add (.html) after by Web#1 and Web#2 practice Web Pages.
So I did so and WALLA they're now uploaded and viewable-
see Modified Profile SIGNATURE to gain access to viewing them.

So now I guess my problem is how to make the HEADING reach to the FULL Page and
not stop short as they do now?

And of course I still need instructions on how to add the required Ads, Banners and
Links to these Web Pages. ie, where do I go for answers (forum?) and/or instructions?

It's really fun when you understand what you have to do to get the problem solved.

[miledu1]

When I view Web pages 1&/or 2 thru Nvu Header borders are flux with right border but
when I view them thru Shortcut to my Documents Icon both are short of right side with
headers and text immediately under Header (Internet Income Opportunities) on Web 1
is flux with left side of page although it is centered (appropriately) on page viewed thru
Nvu.
Should I only pay attention to Nvu view or are the views via icon the ones I should be
concerned with?

[miledu1]

I guess I'm still doing something wrong because when I try to access my web pages 1&2
from the cgi directory it still comes up blank even though it does print out my index.html
page properly.
Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong? IPower tech told me he couldn't guide me
he could only remove the Password requirement.
I can access the Web pages though through Nvu and My Documents where they listed
when I uploded them through Vdeck.

[rbarras]

Marlene,

I get a vdeck error 404. Are you uploading your files to the public_html area? I am not sure what you mean by cgi directory.
This is my process to upload my index.html file.

1. I go into Host Manager
2. File Manager
3. Public_html
4. Browse
5. Locate my index file on my computer
6. select it then upload .

Once it is uploaded I go to another tab and load my site to see how it looks to the public. If I find it has not changed then I choose the refresh button.

I hope this helps you.
Ruby

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

I think we need to go back to the basics, as I'm not sure what you are referring to by converting NVU to HTML. Please note that HTML stands for HyperText Markup Language, and it is essentially a programming language used for the display of web pages.

On the other hand, NVU is a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) HTML editor. In essence, NVU is a program that allows you to more easily edit HTML web page files. HTML is a web programming language, while the NVU editor is simply a tool used to more easily work with that language.

The acronym WYSIWYG refers to a type of editor that lets you create and edit web pages as they would appear in visitors' web browsers, similar to using Microsoft Word or some other word processing program, where you just type what you want to appear, insert images, etc. and the NVU program itself takes care of creating the HTML code for you.

I also received a "page not found" error when attempting to view the web pages listed in your forum signature. This is because you have used the filenames web#1.html and web#2.html. You cannot use a # character in a html file name because this character is reserved for the page jump feature.

In other words, a web browser will only read your URL up to and including the web part, but the #1.html part is interpreted differently. Anything after the # denotes a particular area in your page that you wish to jump to after it loads.

An example of this feature is the "Link to Post" hyperlink that appears at the bottom-right of every post on this forum. Clicking that takes you right to the start of the post it is located in, regardless of where the post is located on the page. The "Back to Top" link beside it is a page jump as well. For more information about page jumps and how to implement these in html code, see the following post:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=web&thread=1173277988&page=1

The preview feature inside vDeck's File Manager may display the web#1.html and web#2.html pages for you, but clicking on them in your signature here and trying to bring the pages up in a regular browser window will not work. What you can do to avoid this problem is just rename your pages and take the # out. For example, you could call them web1.html and web2.html instead, and just update your signature here accordingly. And yes, you do have to have a .htm or .html at the end of your file names to tell the browser that they are html pages.

As I suggested earlier in this thread, I highly recommend that you check out Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial web site, as it teaches the basics of web page editing, organizing your files, and publishing (uploading) your web site's files. You can find it here:

Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial site
www.theworkathomeindex.com/tops

Note that your web page files should be uploaded inside the public_html directory of your web hosting account, which is the home directory for your web site's files. Do not place regular web site files inside the cgi-bin subdirectory, as it is a special directory that is only intended to be used for scripts. You will not likely need to use the cgi-bin directory unless you plan on adding custom scripts to your web site later on, which is more advanced...I'd suggest sticking to the basics for now.

Of course, the most essential resource for you to carefully review is the Phase 1 instructions themselves, which can be found by logging into your TOPS members area at www.toponlineprofits.com/tops/login.php with your email address and password. You can find a link to Phase 1 in there.

The Phase 1 instructions are where you find the information that tells you what companies to apply to, what ads or offers to place on your web site, etc. Even if you've reviewed or printed Phase 1 in the past, I suggest logging in and reviewing them again in detail because there have been a lot of changes with offers coming and going just over the past month alone. The online version is always kept up to date and is the most current.

I also highly recommend for all members that are going through the 3PP program to review the two FAQ boards of the forum in case the information that they seek is already there:

FAQ- Frequently Asked Questions
erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=faq

Website Creation Tool Kit
erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=tool

You should find these two boards helpful as you go through the 3PP instructions.

The Forum Search feature at the top of every forum page is also very handy for finding past posts containing the information that you are looking for.

One tip for using the forum search feature is to make sure that you go to the bottom of the search page and change the maximum number of posts found and the number of days to search back through. The defaults of 7 days and 10 posts are very limiting, so you will often not find the results that you're looking for unless they were very recent posts.

I usually throw a big number in those fields like 777 or 999 or something along those lines to ensure that the entire forum is searched. It takes longer of course for the results to come up, but this makes the search a lot more thorough and you're a lot more likely to find what you're looking for this way.

Hope this helps.

Troy

[miledu1]

Troy:
Thank God for you! Ruby, Thank you also!

I'm sorry to be presenting so many problems for so long. Am I the only one - or have others foundered the way I'm doing - is this a common accurance or am I unique.

I mentioned CGI Directory Index - because when I up loaded files that is where I was taken.

As far as what I mentioned about having to convert Nvu to HTML that is what I understood
the tech from IPower to say after he help me to up load my basic Web page ID i.e.,
Milsonlinebusinessopps.com (after removing the Password requirement that was
preventing publishing it to the Web) - I admit I was somewhat put off by his statement
because I understood Nvu to be a wysiwyg as you've stated and what I understood from
the instructions from Erich and you as I read them.

As I mentioned I've been distracted by outside problems from the beginning and I guess
I didn't comprehend the 3PPP instructions properly.

I will (as you suggest ) "Go back to the Basics" and try to pay close attention and get it
straight this time around.

I NEED TO AND WANT TO -I MUST!!

I will be back in touch when I get it right (hopefully).

Thanks again for your help (all of you).!

I'll start a "new strain" when I do return so not to waste any more space on my previous
errors of misunderstanding.

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

You are welcome, I'm glad the info helped. You are not the only one by any means who had difficulty getting started with editing their web site...in fact, most of the people here knew little or nothing about web site development when they first started with TOPS/3PP.

It sounds like you started off with the right understanding of HTML vs. NVU...I'm sorry to hear that the iPower tech confused you on this issue. Either you just misinterpreted what he said, or he may have not explained it very clearly...actually that's rather likely if he ended up confusing you.

In any case, between the info I provided earlier in this thread and what is found in Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial site, the Phase 1 instructions, and the two FAQ boards on the forum, you should soon have a better understanding of some basic info to get you started with your web site development. It would also probably be a good idea to again review the info presented in this thread as well, including those posts made 2-3 months ago.

Troy

[rbarras]

Marlene,

I am glad you were helped. I think your experience is rather average. Many here have struggled and then one day it just clicks. I feel that we are not only learning a business but a whole new language (HTML, css and tech speak) for me this has been a challenge my age (baby boomer - lol) my grandchildren understand quicker than I . I have to re-read and re-read then on to trial and error. I believe it is all worth it. Just keep at it and one day it will be second nature to you just as your native language is.

May you do well in this business,
Ruby

[miledu1]

Ruby:
Thanks for your encouragement. Just wanted you to know that I preceed the BABY BOOMERS by about 3 years and my 8 year old grandchild is a whiz at the computer, etc.
too.
What puzzles me about all this is that when I studied computer (Fortran and Cobalt )
languages I was right up there with the best of them-a high #2 in my class in the 80's
and I'm MENSA class.
But I guess age does dim the brain and our faculties but I'm determined to succeed and
get this HTML, etc (as you and Troy say - become 2nd nature to me) {soon than later}!

I'm going to get back to the basics (and of course refer to all the reccomendations of this
thread and will be in touch in the very near future.

Again I really wish to extend my thanks to you, Troy and all who have been trying to help me
and I'm determined to capitalize on everyone's advice and get up and running as soon as
I can.