Web Pgs Headings -diagramed codes

[miledu1]

I took Troys advice and dropped + sign from Web page name(s)
and was then able to Upload and Publish practice Web pages.

However there is still a problem.

The published Web Pages only show the heading and other
banner changes I added or moved as Diagramed Coded
Text and does not show pages as they appear on Nvu -

Do I have to do something to these changes and additions
via Nvu to update to Vdeck ?etc.??

I don't want to go forward to add text, banners, and links until
I get the BASIC PAGE to appear to the public as I've designed
it in Nvu.

Your advice is requested.

[troyzone]

miledu1 said:

I took Troys advice and dropped + sign from Web page name(s)
and was then able to Upload and Publish practice Web pages.

However there is still a problem.

The published Web Pages only show the heading and other
banner changes I added or moved as Diagramed Coded
Text and does not show pages as they appear on Nvu -

Do I have to do something to these changes and additions
via Nvu to update to Vdeck ?etc.??

I don't want to go forward to add text, banners, and links until
I get the BASIC PAGE to appear to the public as I've designed
it in Nvu.

Your advice is requested.

Hi Marlene,

Sorry no one has replied here yet including myself, I've had an extra busy week and haven't been on the forum much more than a few minutes here and there. However, I noticed that you had a similar post elsewhere, which Lori shortly thereafter moved and replied to here:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=nvu&action=display&thread=1195432123&page=1#1195484477

First I should note that the web2.html page is not clickable in your forum signature because the URL is missing the .com part of your domain name...you may wish to update your signature accordingly if you would like this page to be available for other members to view.

I'm not sure why you have so many images located at the top of your pages, but the reason they are not showing properly and there is only a placeholder box visible for each (at least in Internet Explorer) is either because the image file is not uploaded to your web host or it is not properly referenced by your web page's code.

Please note that ALL files related to your web site have to be uploaded to your web host, not just the web page file itself (web1.html or whatever it may be called). All of the supporting files such as images each need to be uploaded too.

For example, in your web1.html page, the first image at the top that your page is trying to display is referred to as "topcut56181%20Green.gif" in your source code. This means you should have a file called "topcut56181 Green.gif" uploaded to your iPower web hosting account inside the public_html directory (or folder). Or better yet, create an images directory and upload your image file inside of it, and then refer to it as "images/topcut56181%20Green.gif" via your web1.html page. I'm not sure what the purpose of this image is, but the above is just used as an example regardless.

It would also be a good idea to remove the space from the image file name, as it is what is causing the %20 to appear in the reference to the file in your code. It is best to avoid spaces and uppercase letters if at all possible to avoid confusion and possible problems with your web site. For more information, see the following FAQ board post:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=tool&action=display&thread=1143747000&page=1#1145778477

Lori has given you links to a couple of other threads to check out in her post that I referenced earlier, and I also included a few links and other tips for you previously (including Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial site) in the following thread:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=web&action=display&thread=1186461614&page=1#1194014247

I don't think too much emphasis can be placed on understanding how to organize your web site files and how to link images and other pages to your site. It is very important to learn and understand the basic concepts and "how-to" of doing this in order to be able to create a functional web site. To that end, you may find the following older thread regarding file organization and the addition of images to a page helpful, in addition to the other links mentioned above by myself and Lori in her post:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=p1&thread=1151168048

I hope that the information in this post and the threads that Lori referenced elsewhere help you to gain a better understanding of how to make your web page and its images work together.

Troy

[miledu1]

Sorry to have been away so long - but I've been ill.
While I was gone I Power transitioned to vDeck 3.0 and I'm confused how to proceed to
add images to my Web Page.
Instead of allowing 10 files to be uploaded at a time the new format seems to allow
only 1 at a time. I think I know how to proceed with uploading each image but even though
their position is mapped on the web page do I have to further describe position ie how many pixels down and/or over from previous image or is that calculation automatically
built in.
Also I have been gone too long and am confused in"File Manager" by to question
"Enter folder name to create"? Is this to be ignored when I'm only uploading images?
Your prompt reply would be appreciated.
I have chosen a new password and Security ? so I guess the next step is to get the
images on my web pages uploaded.
Thanks Marlene

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

I have not yet been upgraded to vDeck 3.0 so I don't have any experience with it and can't personally give directions on how to use it. However, others who have it have posted some info about it...see the following thread regarding File Manager:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1197177139&page=1#1197203700

If you do not like vDeck's File Manager, an alternative would be to use an FTP client program to transfer your files, or you could even use Internet Explorer or Windows Explorer in a similar fashion. Skyrocket Jim also discusses using an FTP Client program and gives a couple of examples of such clients in his TOPS Help Files tutorial web site. The Publishing section can be found directly at the following link:

www.theworkathomeindex.com/tops/publishingwebpages.html#FTP

There is actually a recent thread discussing this option. You can read it here:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=web&thread=1200611893&page=1

As for images on your page, they can be placed in your page with your HTML editor (NVU for example) in the same manner regardless of what web hosting company or platform version you use, so you should generally not have to change anything there. It is not necessary to specify the location of images via the number of pixels down or across your page, such things are taken care of automatically by HTML.

While it IS possible to specify the exact location of objects with pixel-perfect precision, it is not necessary or desirable to do so in most cases, as relative and absolute positioning can get rather complex and does not necessarily work exactly the same from one browser to another, so it is best to keep things as simple as possible.

Troy

P.S. I noticed that the link in your forum signature is not clickable...you may wish to edit it to remove the period . right before the www to correct this. Also, you should rename the page from web 6.html to web6.html without the space and update your link accordingly since spaces don't work well in web links, as I mentioned in my previous posting in this thread in regards to an image name.

[miledu1]

You've heard of Murphy's Law- Well now there's Marlene's Law .
After returning to the Forum after a long illness-I realized I had to go back to the beginning
because I was almost completely lost as to how to proceed to get my web page published.
THEN........my computer crashed, now I'm really lost.
Of course, I'm going to go back to the beginning of Jim's instructions, etc. but I'm so
frustrated.
It's been such a long time (since last May) since I started this adventure and it will probably be this next May before I will finally be up and running.
But I'm determined to get it accomplished and with the help of the Forum I know it can and
will be accomplished.
Thanks for everyone's help from the Forum and with your continued help and assistance
I'm determined to make it.

[miledu1]

As stated I went back to the basics (Phase 1) and lo and behold it advises that I sign-up
with Blue Host.
Inasmuch as I'm already signed up with I-Power shall I ignore the new host and continue
with I-Power and just go and apply for the additional "ROI Rocket" to include their ads,etc.

Also since Ed advises to not include TOPS programs until further notice, I assume that
ROI Rocket replaces TOPS.

Please let me know if I can continue with I-Power Host or do I need to switch to Blue Host.

[mpatton]

miledu1 said:

As stated I went back to the basics (Phase 1) and lo and behold it advises that I sign-up
with Blue Host.
Inasmuch as I'm already signed up with I-Power shall I ignore the new host and continue
with I-Power and just go and apply for the additional "ROI Rocket" to include their ads,etc.

Also since Ed advises to not include TOPS programs until further notice, I assume that
ROI Rocket replaces TOPS.

Please let me know if I can continue with I-Power Host or do I need to switch to Blue Host.

You can remain with i-power. You just will not be able to upload your basic WAHD to i-power. That has been routed to Blue Host. Currently you would want to remove the links that offer TOP's memberships. Opportunities from Peak, Clickbank, BizOpts, Roi and Affiliate Fuel, etc are still recommended.

Michael

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

As Michael mentioned, you can stay with iPower if you wish as long as you aren't having any problems with their service. BlueHost is currently the top recommendation to TOPS members who do not yet have a web hosting service, but those with existing services such as iPower or other are free to stay with their current web hosting providers if they wish.

Note however that the TOPS Web Page Setup link in the TOPS members area (www.toponlineprofits.com/tops/login.php}, which leads to the Top Online Profits FTP Client tool, actually works with both iPower and BlueHost accounts.

I remember Tom once posting that the transfer tool he created works with both, so I just tested it with my own account to see if that was still the case. I still currently have an iPower account and was able to successfully use the TOPS FTP Client tool to transfer my basic TOPS page over to my own domain, so you should be able to do this as well.

This would be the easiest thing for you to do at this point, as this will give you an index.html page that is functional with all images present and is up-to-date with the current TOPS offerings. You would then just need to save a copy of it to your own computer and start editing it in order to add the extra programs required by the 3 Phase Profits instructions.

Before transferring your basic TOPS page to your own domain however, you should first log into the TOPS members area and click on the Profile link in the top menu bar and ensure that all of the fields there are properly filled in, including those fields that should contain your own affiliate IDs.

If there is anything that you are missing and you don't know where to find the sign-up link for it, just let us know and we should be able to direct you to the sign-up page. Note that most or all of the sign-up links should be located inside the Phase 1 instructions though.

Also note that there have been a lot of changes to TOPS/3PP over the past year, so you will need to carefully go through the Phase 1 instructions inside the TOPS members area and make sure that you are following the current requirements and the most up-to-date version of the instructions available, which will always be found inside your TOPS members area.

If you had printed out the Phase 1 instructions at some point in the past then they may now be out of date, since they would just reflect the Phase 1 instructions at the time of printing. The online version is always the most up-to-date version.

Printing Phase 1 out and checking things off as you complete them is a good idea to help you keep track of what you have accomplished and what you have yet to do, but of course you have to make sure that the printed version of the instructions that you are following is current.

Hope this helps.

Troy

[mpatton]

troyzone said:

Hi Marlene,

I remember Tom once posting that the transfer tool he created works with both, so I just tested it with my own account to see if that was still the case. I still currently have an iPower account and was able to successfully use the TOPS FTP Client tool to transfer my basic TOPS page over to my own domain, so you should be able to do this as well.

Troy

Troy

Thanks for catching this and pointing it out. I had tried to recently upload the Basic WAHD to one of my I-power accounts and it did not upload...
HOWEVER...After reading your post referenced above.. I tried it again, it worked. I believe when I tried it before I used the old password and user name that I had before the transition...

Thanks

Michael

[miledu1]

Thanks for everyone's input.
Troy pointed out to me in earlier correspondence that there have been a lot of changes to Phase 1 instructions, so I did print out a current copy yesterday and will be following your
advice to check things off as they're accomplished.
From your comments, do I understand correctly that I should remove all WAHD/TOPS
material and just go ahead with the new Phase 1?
I thought that TOPS was only being temporarily suspended but from what you say, do I
understand that all WAHD/TOPS will now be with Blue Host and as long as I stay with
I-Power, I will not be able to use it?
Also, if this is true, my renewal fee (life $38) is due before May 1, should I therefore forget
about paying it?

[Erich]

Hi There...

It is a personal choice for you to make regarding whether or not to get a lifetime Tops membership. We are not taking new Tops members now mainly because we felt there was a saturation of Tops 3PP websites online and in the marketplace. We also had a couple of our main Tops free affiliates change their business model. They started requiring a fee to become an affiliate which was against OUR Tops business model. This left us short on a couple of FREE affiliate income sources to include on the Tops Basic Income Directory website.

We are uncertain at the present time when or if Tops will again start accepting new members. Therefore, [for now] you will not be including any links to Tops on your Tops 3PP Income Directory website. Most of the other income sources in Phase One are still available for you to include on your website. However, we heard recently that Thebizoppnetwork is now placing new applicants on a "waiting list". I have not confirmed this as yet so you might as well go ahead and apply to them... We will approve you for Phase 2 without Thebizoppnetwork links on your website if they do put you on a waiting list.

You can use Ipower or Bluehost as a host for your website. I personally believe they are both good but we've had less complaints regarding support with Bluehost. That is the only reason we had switched to Bluehost as our recommended hosting company for new Tops members. If you are already with Ipower and are having no problems... you should probably stay with them and not go thru the hassle of transferring your domain...

Take Care

Erich

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

Keep in mind that the TOPS lifetime membership fee covers YOUR access to the TOPS program, including the TOPS members area and 3 Phase Profits training. You previously mentioned that you were determined to make it through Phase 1 even if it takes you another year...if you let your TOPS membership expire and do not renew it, then you will no longer have access to the Phase 1/2/3 instructions and other resources available as part of the TOPS program, including those inside the TOPS members-only web site at www.toponlineprofits.com/tops/login.php

You are apparently on a one-year trial membership of TOPS at present. If you choose to renew your membership, you will then be a lifetime member of TOPS and will no longer have to worry about renewing your membership or losing access to TOPS at some future date, since by definition a lifetime membership does not expire.

This means that if you renew, you would then have access to the 3PP instructions and other TOPS resources indefinitely. If you do not renew, you will no longer have access to the TOPS/3PP resources and training materials (including the 3PP instructions) once your current one-year trial membership expires.

The only way that the current closure of TOPS to new members affects you is that you cannot promote the TOPS affiliate program and refer new prospects to it since TOPS is currently not accepting new sign-ups. Existing TOPS members such as yourself still have full access to the program though, and the program is continuing to be maintained - it is just not accepting NEW members who are not already upgraded.

I hope this helps clarifies things further for you.

Troy

[miledu1]

I understand my position from Erichs and your info, and I will go ahead and renew before
May, 2008.
I went in to the vDeck 3 Control Panel and read its tutorial -BUT-when I went into the File
Manager (it's completely foreign to vDeck 1 ) and I got completely lost.
I requested HELP from IPower and until I get further explanation from them I can't UPLOAD
the corrected /web6.html ref. and /nor UPLOAD images to my Web page.
However I will go into Nvu and get rid of all the TOP/SFI references and go ahead and
include the other Phase 1 required programs/ads, etc.
I've already been accepted by BizOppNetwork (so that won't be a problem.
Actually I've been accepted by all the Phase 1 programs except ROIROCKET and have
completed the application for submission to them.
I will proceed to follow the updated version of Phase 1 instructions and make sure everything is checked off as I go along and hopefully when I get further instructions from
IPower - I will proceed to upload the images,etc onto Web page and come back to the
Forum for Review /acceptance and permission to proceed to Phase 2.
Hope all proceeds smoothly and I can get all accomplished before my May4th renewal
date with IPower.
Here's hoping!

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

The easiest thing for you to do at this point may be to transfer your basic TOPS site to your own domain on your web hosting account, then start your edits on it. Doing this will give you an up-to-date index.html page that already has the TOPS affiliate program removed, along with a fully functional page layout that is properly centered with all the images intact.

I checked both your current index.html page and your web 6.html page and there are images missing and other problems that would probably take you longer to fix than it would to start with a clean slate, especially since there is not much on them yet beyond the basic TOPS site contents.

Before transferring your TOPS page to your own domain however, there are a couple of other steps that you should perform first. Log into your TOPS Members Area at www.toponlineprofits.com/tops/login.php with your email address and password and click on the Profile link in the top menu bar. Make sure that all of the fields on this page are filled out properly as mentioned in a prior post I made in this thread, then click the Save Settings button.

The next thing you should do is update your basic TOPS page to the latest version. Click on the Home link on the top menu bar, then scroll to the bottom of the page and click on Premium Membership Home Page. This should bring you to a page with links for Step 1 and Step 2.

If there were any programs in your Profile page that you didn't already have an affiliate ID for, click on the Step 1: Sign up for the TOPS Affiliate Programs link on the Premium Membership Home Page. There are links to the sign-up pages for each of the basic TOPS site programs here, so sign up for anything that you don't already have an affiliate ID for. If you already have IDs for all of the programs listed on this page, skip this step.

Go back to the Premium Membership Home Page and click on the Step 2: TOPS Web Page Builder link, which will take you to the page that will automatically update your basic TOPS site to the latest version. Make sure that all of the fields are properly filled in on this page, then click the Build Page button at the bottom.

This will update your basic TOPS page and give you your link for it so that you can view it to confirm that it was built properly. If something is missing or doesn't look right, there may have been a glitch during the building process...just repeat the above steps to build it again.

Once you have made sure that your profile contains the correct information and have updated your basic TOPS page, you are then ready to transfer it to your own domain. To transfer your TOPS site to your own domain on your iPower web hosting account, you would need to use the TOPS Transfer Tool, also called the TOPS FTP Client.

To do this, make sure that you are logged into the TOPS Members Area and that you're on the Phase 1 Home Page, then find and click on the TOPS Web Page Setup link.

You should now be on the Top Online Profits FTP Client page. Once there, you should find a few fields near the bottom of the page where you enter your domain name as well as the username and password for your iPower account. This is the same username/password that you would use to log into iPower's vDeck control panel. The TOPS FTP Client needs this info in order to transfer your TOPS page to your own domain.

There is also an option to choose either the Standard Web Page or the Google Friendly Web Page. The latter is also called the "lite" version of the TOPS web page. It is essentially the same as the standard version except it does not have any survey programs present on it, as Google is often rather picky about those.

Once you fill out these three fields and choose either the standard version or the Google-friendly version, just click Submit and your TOPS page should then be transferred to your iPower account. To confirm this, just type your domain name into a web browser and refresh the page to check and see if your TOPS page transferred properly.

It is generally a good idea to first transfer the lite version of your TOPS site to your domain and then apply for Google AdSense as per the Phase 1 instructions. Once approved, you can then go back and repeat these steps to transfer the standard TOPS site to your domain and then begin your site edits. You can of course skip using the lite version of the TOPS site if you already have an AdSense account or one of the alternatives.

The above procedure may look long, but it really isn't...I was just quite detailed in my explanation. It should only take a couple of minutes to perform at most, unless you have some additional affiliate programs that you need to sign up for before you can complete these steps.

Once you have completed them, you should be able to visit your domain name www.milsonlinebusinessopps.com/ and your basic TOPS site should be displayed there and functional. The name of this page will be index.html and any previous index.html page you had there before is automatically backed up under the name index_save.html. You can then save a copy of this index.html page on your own computer and begin your site edits.

Hope this helps.

Troy

[miledu1]

ok-what have i done wrong now?
I added My Power Mall to my profile.
I thought I removed old web site file, i.e. index.html,images and web6 paractice page (folders) but after I saved files as: index.html; images, and webindex (practice sheet)
all as webpage only,html files and after I uploaded my new WAHD page to IPower, when I
try to open the folder for the respective pages I keep opening to my original WebPractice
page. Why isn't the revised WAHD page opening up instead.
I confered with IPower and followed their verbal instructions exactly and received the
messages: 1 "Your TOPS Web Page was successfully set up! -Here is the link to your
new page: www.milsonlinebusinessopps.com/index.html" and
2: from file Manager-"filehome/public_html/web6.html eas changed to home/public_html/
webindex.html

Why dont the Save As files with the new WAHD open up to the new Page why do they still
open to the old page(s)? I should also note that I deleted the old Save As pages before I
went through My Documents - set up a new TOPS Site folder and then through TOPS Site
folder, I set up the index.html, images and webindex folders but no matter how many times
I've deleted the old and opened the new folders (7 hours in the attempts) The Save AS
folders still open up to the old format.
Why is this such a confusing application? What am I not seeing or understanding?

HELP!!!!!!!!

[troyzone]

Marlene,

I'm not sure that I fully understand your post or what exactly you have done, but in a general sense, it seems that you are having problems with updating and publishing (or uploading) your web page files.

There is an ongoing, somewhat detailed discussion in another thread here in the Designing & Developing Website board of the forum where another member is having some similar issues, and Tom and I have posted some help in there. You may wish to read it as you might pick up a few pointers...it can be found here:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=web&thread=1203884742&page=1

It all comes down to basics...you have to understand how the process of updating and publishing web pages works in order to be able to do so successfully. If you do not understand this process as of yet, then I believe that is what you should focus on learning before trying to put it into practice with your own site.

For starters, I highly recommend that you review Jim's TOPS Help Files tutorial web site section on Publishing, which can be found here:

www.theworkathomeindex.com/tops/publishingwebpages.html

Note that the vDeck directions there are for the old vDeck...if you have been upgraded to the newer vDeck 3 hosting platform then how you use File Manager would be a bit different. Nancy gives some tips for vDeck 3's File Manager here:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1197177139&page=1#1197203700

My preferred method of transferring web site files to/from my web hosting account however is with a dedicated FTP client program. There are many programs available for doing this, and Jim also gives detailed directions for a free one called FTP Commander on his tutorial site, along with a link where you can download and install it from.

With an FTP client program, you would configure a connection inside the program with your server info, username and password for your web hosting account (this is provided by iPower in an email when you first get your account or were upgraded to vDeck 3), then once you have it configured, it is just a matter of connecting to your web host and browsing to find the files that you wish to transfer.

With most FTP clients, you will generally have two windows, one that shows a folder on your own computer (also known as the local computer) and one that shows the files on your web host (also known as the remote host). Then it is simply a matter of highlighting the files or folders you wish to transfer and clicking the appropriate button. This method allows you to move files to or from your web host with equal ease. Jim explains how to do this with FTP Commander on his tutorial site mentioned above, but you could use any such FTP client program that you wish to transfer files to/from your web host.

In your post above, you had mentioned something about saving files as webpage only...you weren't by chance going into the File menu in Internet Explorer and going to Save As... / "Web Page, HTML Only", were you? This should not be used to get a web page file from your web host to your computer in order to edit it.

The reason this should not be used is Internet Explorer modifies your web page file using this or other methods in the Save As menu so that the page can be displayed on your own computer in a stand-alone state. It is just for saving web pages that you visit to your own computer that you may wish to view offline later for whatever reason...it is not really for transferring a web page to your computer in an unmodified state like you would need to do in order to work on it.

I was about to suggest that you might want to review Jim's "Where Do I Start?" tutorial page to make sure that you're setting up your files and folders properly in preparation for your edits here:

www.theworkathomeindex.com/tops/wheredoistart.html

It was then that I noticed Jim actually mentions using the File menu / Save As feature, so I assume this is the procedure that you've been following.

It's possible that this process may work fine for some pages, but I just tried it with my own page and it inserted extra characters and so forth (little boxes where there should be hard returns or line breaks in my code), so I didn't end up with an
"exact" copy of my page by using File menu / Save As. I'll mention this to Jim in case he wants to give this process another look in his tutorial...maybe it's just me or something I did as I'm really not fully awake yet

In any case, instead of using File menu / Save As, I suggest that you follow one of the procedures below instead to get an exact copy of your web site onto your own computer for editing.

The best way to transfer an exact copy of your web page on your web host (iPower) to your own computer to begin working on it is via a FTP client program as mentioned above, or you could also go to the View menu / Source option in Internet Explorer (or View menu / Page Source in Firefox), which will show your page's source code. You can then press CTRL A to Select All of your code (or go into the Edit menu and choose Select All), then press CTRL C (or Edit menu / Copy) to copy it to your Windows clipboard.

Then you could open NVU, KompoZer, or whatever HTML editor program you use, start a new page, then go to the Source view, Select All again, delete what's there and then Paste your clipboard's contents into the editor's Source view. You can then save a copy of the web page in the editor to your own computer as index.html or whatever you like in the folder you have set up for your saving your TOPS/3PP web site files in.

This process will effectively save a copy of the page on your web site to your own computer, where you can then begin edits on it. It should actually only take a matter of seconds to complete...it takes a lot longer to explain it than it does to actually do it. This of course just saves your html page itself...you should also right-click and save each picture or image from your web page to your computer as well.

Another method is to use a FTP client program, as was mentioned earlier, to transfer a copy of your web page from your web host to a folder on your computer. The added advantage of using an FTP client is that you could transfer multiple files, such as your html page, images, folders, etc. all at once, without having to do them one by one individually.

After placing a copy of your web site on your computer using either method, you could then use your HTML editor to open up the page you just transferred and begin doing your edits.

At this point, there does not appear to be any web pages on your site with iPower at the moment, so you may wish to follow the directions I posted previously to transfer a copy of your TOPS page to your own domain again, then try one of the methods of transferring a copy of it to your own computer for editing that I mentioned in this post (i.e. either copying your code via your browser's View Source feature or via transferring a copy of it to your own computer using a FTP client program).

Of course, if you already have a web page with some editing done that you wish to keep, just transfer that to iPower and place it inside the public_html folder, rather than first getting a fresh copy of your TOPS web page transferred to your domain. If you wish for it to be your home page then you would have to make sure that it is named index.html.

As I mentioned above, it would probably be a good idea for you to review Jim's Publishing page linked to earlier in this post, as well as Tammy's thread linked to earlier as well, since it deals with publishing pages with a FTP client and so forth, along with some other tips about how web page hosting works. It also discusses SmartFTP or other clients, which are other alternatives, however if you wish to try the FTP method and want to stick with the client Jim gives directions for (FTP Commander) then that is perfectly fine as well.

Everyone has different preferences in the way that they do things and the programs that they use to do them...the main thing is to find a method which works well for you.

Hope this helps.

Troy

[troyzone]

Just an update on the browser File menu / "Save As" issue I mentioned above...I spoke with Jim and as I suspected, the little box symbols replacing hard returns when saving a page in this manner isn't an issue most of the time, it just seems to be evident when using Notepad to open the web page file after it is saved in this manner.

I knew that Wordpad would open such files without a problem, and apparently when such files are opened into NVU or KompoZer they are fine as well. I don't often use those particular HTML editors myself, but Jim said he tested that procedure with NVU as he was writing his tutorial, which I assumed he did...you pretty much have to work through something like that yourself when writing step by step instructions for it.

In any case Marlene, there have been a few methods of saving your web page to your computer outlined, so the best thing you can do is try each method and use whichever one you're most comfortable with and that works best for you. If you are having problems with the browser File menu / Save As method, then try the FTP method or the View menu / Source code / copy & paste method.

Troy

[Tom "CloudHand"]

I would recommend to ALWAYS transfer your web page onto your computer using FTP... and will go so far to say NEVER use "Save As", or copy/paste from notepad, or any other nonsense.

Source code is source code, and using methods to save a displayed page onto your computer, whether you use "Save As", or copy/paste, or any method other than FTP, will not save your native source code.

What it does save is the HTML code that is being displayed in your web browser. In many cases, this displayed HTML code is the same as your source code, but there is also a chance that it will not be the same. This is especially true if you are using scripts that displays HTML code, such as PHP scripts. In this case, the script is not saved at all... only the displayed HTML code.

If you are saving your web page to your computer... ALWAYS use FTP to do so. If you are just saving a random page to view it later, then any of the other ways are fine.

The little squares that are seen in notepad are characters that notepad does not know how to interpret. I have seen this when viewing a UNIX formated file in notepad, and in many cases it is the UNIX "new line" characters (/n). Notepad does not know how to interpret these characters and will just display a square in its place. I'm sure there are many other characters that do not get displayed properly in notepad. This is one of the many reasons I despise notepad as a source code editor... it only understands MS/DOS formats, and I program in UNIX format most of the time.

For the most part, this will not produce any functional issues, and the code will look just fine in other editors.

Tom

[miledu1]

I'm terribly confused - I thought I did understand how to upload new (or replacement) html
files (pages) and as said I worked with an IPower tech to accomplish what I was trying
to do but as I thought I clearly stated- I was able to upload&replace the new WAHD basic
format page (see new new domain page) www.milsonlinebusinessopps.com but when
I try to upload the page as www.milsonlinebusinessopps.com/webindex.html- it still comes
up as the old formatted page showing picture codes and the old WAHD with Tops Ads.
I'm sorry that I haven't replied earlier but my son has fallen victim of the current real estate
deboucle and when he advised me of his situation I suffered a minor heart attack (which
I will never tell him of ) and it waylaid me for awhile. I'm back now and I hope to get this
Web Page up and running sooner rather than later.
I will double check Erich's instructions and also recheck with IPower. I WILL GET THIS
UP AND RUNNING SO HELP ME!!

[troyzone]

Hi Marlene,

I'm sorry to hear about your health and other issues, I hope things get better for you soon. I checked the two links you provided and got a "page cannot be displayed' error message for both, so the index.html and webindex.html files do not seem to be currently present inside your web hosting account's public_html folder.

All of your web site files need to be placed INSIDE the public_html folder, which is the home folder (or directory) for your web site. If they are not placed inside public_html, they will not be visible to your web site visitors via your domain name.

They also have to be named correctly...case is important. For example, index.html, Index.html, and INDEX.HTML are all considered to be different files by most web hosts, so it is advisable to use all lowercase characters in your file and folder names whenever possible to avoid issues with this.

One of my earlier posts referred to another recent thread in this board of the forum...I will again refer you to it as there have since been some additional explanations posted by myself and Tom in that thread that should be helpful to you as well. You may wish to return to page 1 of the thread and read it in its entirety to learn all you can from it since the member in question was experiencing similar issues with publishing her site, but I will link you to two posts in particular that should help:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=web&action=display&thread=1203884742&page=2#1205735626

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=web&action=display&thread=1203884742&page=2#1206889279

The first post above gives some general information about how web servers work when it comes to displaying files, so that you know where to place your files and what to name them in order for your home page to appear, and how to link to alternative pages and have them appear properly.

The second post linked to above is one in which Tom gives step by step instructions for transferring your web page files from your computer to your web hosting account or vice versa using a FTP client program such as FTP Commander, SmartFTP, FileZilla, WS-FTP, or any other FTP client program.

FTP client programs allow you to transfer files in either direction with equal ease and are the preferred method of transferring web site files to/from your web hosting account, as Tom mentioned above.

The reason that some alternative methods are often taught initially is because many of our members are new to website creation and maintenance and even computers in general, so we want to make things as simple as possible for them starting out.

Us more technical people who have been working with web technology for years often take routine procedures such as managing files and folders and transferring them via FTP for granted, and we need to keep in mind how new much of this is to many people and to not make the initial learning curve any steeper than it needs to be when first starting out.

That being said, the alternative methods of transferring web page files mentioned earlier in this thread may not work properly in certain situations and depending on the software being used. While such more familiar methods like the copy/paste of source code may help you get things off the ground, it is highly recommended to learn how to use a dedicated FTP client at your earliest opportunity, as this is the best and most reliable method of transferring files.

To that end, I recommend that you read the posts linked to above in the previously mentioned thread, as well as Jim's publishing via FTP section that I mentioned in a previous post, which can be found directly at the following link:

www.theworkathomeindex.com/tops/publishingwebpages.html#FTP

Transferring files via FTP may sound very technical and may seem overwhelming at first like anything new, but it is really quite straightforward and will soon become second-nature to you once you've used this method a few times. It is just a matter of downloading and installing a suitable FTP client program, putting in your web hosting account's settings, and getting used to its interface. Hope this helps.

Troy

[miledu1]

What is going on? Having been away from my computer for awhile because pesonal
family situation (mentioned before) I opened my e-mail today to find that a bill (subscription)
for Top On-Line Profits was presented to my PayPal account on 5/2 and was not paid
because of trouble with my Bank Card and when Erich was informed the bill for $59.40
was cancelled with notation that the bill will not be presented again.
What is this annual subsciption about?
1st of all there was no trouble with my Debit Card because other bills presented have been paid without any problem.
i.e. TOP membership was renewed on 4/13/08 for Lifetime Membership in the amount of
$38.00. On May 4, 2008 my domain name was renewed for Annual fee in the amount of
$95.40.
I've not known of this additional fee for Top On-Line Profits (a newsletter?) annual
subscription renewal @$4.95/mo for $59.40 - I've never received this during my 1st year
and therefore had never authorized payment ----maybe the payment was declined by
PayPal for this reason.
Inasmuch as I did renew my membership (lifetime) in April as specified above - will not
payment of this subscription? fee affect my continued membership in anyway?
If, YES, please let me know and I will make sure the funds will be in my account to cover
this charge within the coming week.
I reiitterate, there has been no problem with PayPal paying the charges mentioned above
in April and on May 4 (there was sufficient funds in the account) -
I updated my bankcard info with TOPS in March and with PayPal at the same time -so the
only thing I can think of is that the subscription charged to info on file -when I joined (before)
originally the BankCard # on file was changed this past March and one time before but
after my original membership payment and since I never received this Top OnLine Profits
(Newsletter?) the info on file for Subscription was out of date.
Please advise (if such was the case) and if I need to purchase this subscription and
provide funds in my PayPal account to cover the charge.

[troyzone]

Marlene,

Questions of this nature regarding your own TOPS account, payment issues, etc. should be addressed via email to TOPS support directly at [e-mail]. Tom or Erich would be happy to work with you directly to resolve any account issues you may have.

The $38.00 you paid to upgrade from a 1-year trial membership to a lifetime TOPS membership should cover your membership from that point onward. The membership structure was changed about a year ago, before which TOPS had an annual recurring subscription of $59.40, but that has since been done away with. Erich and Tom cancelled all such recurring Paypal subscriptions in favor of the new membership structure over the past year, although it's possible that yours may have been missed or just recently cancelled. See the following sticky post in the Top Online Profits "TOPS" Affiliate Program board for more info:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=tops&action=display&thread=5435

Also see another sticky post in the same board about the TOPS program upgrades detailing the new membership options as of a year ago here:

erichw33.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=tops&action=display&thread=5408

Marlene, I have alerted Tom regarding this post so he should be along soon to look into your account for you and will probably either post or contact you directly. Please keep in mind however that this board of the forum is dedicated to help with HTML and other general website creation-related issues, and that personal TOPS account issues should be sent directly to TOPS Support via email to [e-mail] or the Help Desk support form inside the TOPS members area at www.toponlineprofits.com/tops/login.php so that it may be resolved by TOPS Admin.

Troy

[Tom "CloudHand"]

Marlene,

As Troy mentioned, private matters such as this should not be discussed in a public forum. I sent you an email explaining what is going on. There must have been a problem with the cancellation of your subscription, or maybe the cancellation of it was just simply missed. Either way, there is no yearly TOPS subscription fee any more and you should not have been billed.

Tom

[Erich]

First off... Troy and Tom... thanks for responding to Marlene regarding this "glitch" in the system.

Tom has since emailed her and explained what happened.

Basically I had to go into Paypal and manually cancel each Tops subscription which was purchased before we started selling the "non renewable" memberships. I did all these cancellations last year. Everything sold before 5/15/07 was a renewable 1 year subscription. Once we realized that Paypal was set up to automatically renew these without giving the member a notice or option.... we set up the new system and cancelled all the older subscriptions. At least I thought that was the case....

I apparently missed the subscriptions that were sold on May 1 and that was the reason for the billing attempt by Paypal. There were several other members billed and two actually went thru for payment. I refunded both of these the same day they were paid.

Anyway, we are sorry this happened and it should not occur again...

Erich

PS: I'm not sure why this was brought to our attention here... especially in this thread. But we'll leave it as is at least until those concerned have an opportunity to review the issue.