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Post by Erich on May 26, 2008 10:06:31 GMT -5
Politics and Religion are areas in our life that most of us feel strongly about and seldom do we agree on the issues behind these... Barack Obama is a freshman senator from Illinois and could very well be the next President of the United States. He certainly wants to be our President and be in control our government. The question we must answer... is he the best one among the choices?? Below are a few lines from Obama's books -- his words. From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.' From Dreams of My Father: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.' From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.' From Dreams of My Father: ; 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.' From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela.' ============================ The following website gives unbiased info where Obama stands on issues along with his voting record: www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm============================= The title of Obama Book "Audacity Of Hope" was actually a theme and title of one of his pastors [Rev Wright] sermons from years ago. Obama has said Rev Wright was like a father figure to him. Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle and baptized their two daughters. Now that Obama is running for President he says Wright's views and his are not the same and has severed ties with him. Obama was a member in Wright's church for over 20 years. Oprah Winfrey was previously a member of this same church too but left many years ago after apparently seeing what the man stands for. This says a lot for Oprah's judgement but what does it say about Obama??? If it takes him that long to know what his pastor stands for... how long will it take for him to know the right course of action to take with threats to our national security. abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2008/04/obama_breaks_ti.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs Here are some interesting quotes from Obama and background on where he stands on some important issues "Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality. (Oct 2007) Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007) Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008) Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006) Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006) Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006) "Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007) Experimented with cocaine but turned down heroin. (Aug 2007) A "secret smoker", especially around reporters. (Aug 2007) Smokes cigarettes now; smoked some pot in high school. (Feb 2007) Admitted marijuana use in high school & college. (Jan 2007) Deal with street-level drug dealing as minimum-wage affair. (Oct 2006) Immigrants are scapegoats for high unemployment rates. (Jan 2008) Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007) Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006) FactCheck: Ranked most liberal in Senate, based on 99 votes. (Feb 2008) Other Quotes: "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack [heroin] though." Obama admitting taking cannabis and cocaine as a teenager, in 1995 memoir 'Dreams from My Father'. "I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying."Barack Obama “WE ARE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION, we are also a Jewish nation, a MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers” From Audacity of Hope"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." From Audacity of Hope====================== I have not read his books so I don't know if some of his quotes are taken out of context. I must say that I do have some concern about this guy being the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. His lack of national political experience is what concerns me most: He has been rated as the most Liberal senator in Washington. I personally don't think I would want the most conservative or liberal to be our president. I think we need someone who can find the middle ground on many of the tough issues. President Bush has been a big disappointment and I believe has contributed significantly to the mess we are in... I don't know that McCain is all that much different than Bush so that puts us in a difficult situation. We need strong and decisive leadership now more than ever... and look at our choices. It is a d**n shame our system cannot come up with someone better than the three who are left in the race. It almost makes me want to look for another country to live out my days... Our children [and grandchildren] deserve much better than what it looks like we are going to end up leaving them. Erich
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Post by Sandi Moses on May 26, 2008 11:26:07 GMT -5
Barack Obama says he stands for change.
I have lost track of how many people I have asked just exactly what it is they expect him to change.
I have not yet received an answer.
I expect some of them to be horrified because he will change something they did not want changed, but they are too hung up on "change" for the sake of change to look any deeper.
In addition to what you brought up, as the child of a graduate of the Naval Academy, I am uncomfortable electing a Commander in Chief who has no military experience at all. I am uncomfortable with someone who has no better judgement than to think it's a good idea to sit down and negotiate with terrorists. Everywhere you look, from Adolph Hitler to the Star Wars movies you will find examples of how that does not work.
John McCain has definitely not been my first choice, but he can - and has - made better choices than that.
There is a wonderful tool for determining which candidate most closely matches YOUR views on a variety of topics. You input your opinions and the site gives you a list of candidates and how well they match YOU. You go first, so you don't really know how you will match up - especially percentage wise - until you finish your part.
OnTheIssues.org
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Post by rbarras on May 26, 2008 13:22:28 GMT -5
Erich and Sandy,
I too am very concerned with the direction our country seems to be taking. The change Barack is offering is not freedom to say the least and I really don't know how much different John McCain will be. I was raised as an army brat and I am encouraged that he will not allow us to be overrun militarily but I am not so sure about his stance on the border.
The America I knew as a girl is fast leaving us and my grand children's future is in real question. I have lived in many countries and there is no country that offers the freedoms we now have that our politicians are throwing away to ingratiate themselves.
May our loving Lord shed His Grace on us once again.
Ruby
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Post by talfighel on May 26, 2008 13:24:08 GMT -5
I can't believe that we are actually using this work at home and home based business forum to talk about politics.
I have no desire to talk about this subject because I am not an American and I live in Beautiful Canada.
What I will say is that Barack Obama has something special about him and his leadership. If I was an American voter, I would vote for him anytime. He is an AMAZING person in my view.
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Post by Erich on May 27, 2008 9:38:59 GMT -5
I can't believe that we are actually using this work at home and home based business forum to talk about politics. I have no desire to talk about this subject because I am not an American and I live in Beautiful Canada. What I will say is that Barack Obama has something special about him and his leadership. If I was an American voter, I would vote for him anytime. He is an AMAZING person in my view. Regarding Obama... I'm sure some Americans agree with you and some don't. Those who don't are probably glad you live in Canada. You are obviously happy about that ... Regarding this Forum- The politicians we elect and the decisions they make while in office have a direct effect on our ability to work at home and anywhere else... This Forum category is titled " LIFE LESSONS 101Description This Board is for providing information we have found valuable to us over the course of our lives... and believe is worth sharing with others. The info can be factual from research or ancedotal first hand experience. Past mistakes we've made and learned from... or new things we've tried and liked can go here.. Sharing information about economic and health issues with our govts and the way things are and should be are also appropriate. Advocates are welcome here. =============== Discussing politics and/or religion tend to bring out strong feelings and emotions from many of us and I certainly understand when one person doesn't agree with another. That is what having a dialogue is all about including getting information out in front of people... Erich
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Post by Lori G. on May 27, 2008 14:42:39 GMT -5
I like the idea that we can come here and discuss other issues besides "work at home" related with my "online" family. It is always good to hear what other people have to say. Lori
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Post by Nancy on May 27, 2008 16:26:11 GMT -5
I have read two of the books mentioned above, and yes those quotes are taken out of context. I for one am disappointed that Tal comes here as a Canadian, voices an opinion shared by more people than not, and your reply was less than generous. I am also disappointed that the quotes attributed to Obama above we taken from the pundits, who knew better and still reported falsehoods. No one is an ideal choice, but remember Kennedy had no experience leading anything when he was elected. Reagan ran California, and yet some say he was a terrible president, that he did more harm than good. The world needs a new direction. As far as Obama talking to terroists, he has vehemently denied those allegations time and again. I for one believe him. I have never believed anything that came out of the current administrations mouth. I am done with the forum, I come here to help and be helped with my ONLINE BUSINESS, not to hear the same rhetoric I can hear on any news cast. Nancy
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Post by Lori G. on May 27, 2008 17:15:04 GMT -5
No one is obligated to read or contribute to any post that does not interest them. For example, I have discontinued using Stats Junky, so I have not been reading or contributing to that thread. If some do not wish to hear more political views, they need not read this thread. Lori
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Post by Erich on May 27, 2008 18:46:53 GMT -5
No one is obligated to read or contribute to any post that does not interest them. For example, I have discontinued using Stats Junky, so I have not been reading or contributing to that thread. If some do not wish to hear more political views, they need not read this thread. Lori I think you hit the nail on the head. Everyone usually has an idea, thought or opinion on most topics or discussions. A mature adult can choose to participate or not. One can also select the categories of most interest to them and pass over the rest... It seems as though some members and visitors click on the link at the bottom with the most recent posts... instead of taking the time to simply look at the categories of interest to them and see if there is anything new... Anyway... we hate to see anyone get so upset over a discussion that they decide to leave forever. Liberals and conservatives don't see eye to eye on many of the issues but can still be friends when the discussion is over.... that is the way I look at it. Erich
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Post by Roy on May 27, 2008 21:16:26 GMT -5
Thanks Lori No one is obligated to read or contribute to any post that does not interest them. For example, I have discontinued using Stats Junky, so I have not been reading or contributing to that thread. If some do not wish to hear more political views, they need not read this thread. Lori There are two sides to everything. Moreover, no two person will see eyes to eyes on everything neither. It our different point of view on life and our freedom to express those views that make The United State a Great Nation and that go for our Great Northern Neighbor of Canada also. Roy P.S. I personally think what JFK said is so right “And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country”. Some people think the Federal Government should do for us what we can do for other and ourselves. What did you personally do today to relief some of the pain and suffering of some your fellow citizen.
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Post by happymom on May 27, 2008 23:04:35 GMT -5
Wow!
Guess this is an explosive topic that brings up deep feelings for many of us. I for one, don't talk too much politics because people pretty much all have their own opinions. I think it's best for everyone to do their "homework" to see which candidate best represents their own ideals....problem is, our choices don't seem too great. I don't think there's anything wrong with posting information here that may help people see candidates good and bad sides. I think the world climate now days is pretty scary. And our country especially is going through some very tough times. I can't say I've made up my mind about who would make the better President, but will certainly pray for God's wisdom, and for His will in this coming election.
Julie
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Post by Erich on May 28, 2008 9:15:01 GMT -5
The last thing I wanted to do in starting this thread was to hurt anyones feelings. I should have known better. Politics and religion bring out such strong emotions so I guess it was inevitable this would happen.
It doesn't matter what race, sexual orientation, religion, position on abortion, or if you tried or use drugs. We are all God's children and are guilty of sin. I am the last person in the world to point a finger at someone and tell them they are doing wrong... and I hope that is not how I came across here.
For the record I voted for President Bush last election so that should tell you how bad my judgement is in these matters.
I believe he has done some good but not much. This country was in much better shape before he took over and he deserves a lot of the blame.
What makes me sad is that it doesn't look like any of the candidates running now look any better.
The main reason I singled out Obama is because he is the "new kid on the block" and we really don't have enough information on him to know what we can really expect.
I agree with what Jeff says... "his lack of experience in making crucial decisions for this country especially with our young men overseas fighting". Everyone should be concerned with this.
I will also admit that it really botheres me that he belonged to a church for 20+ years whose Pastor preaches sermons like the one "God Damning America"... I'm sure this Church has done a lot of good in their local community but there is no place for a Chruch leader who says anything that would further divide the people of our country. We need to unite... not separate.
Right now it looks like Obama has a darn good chance of becoming our next President. If this happens... I pray he steps up to the task and will surround himself with good expreienced people who will give him the right advice to make the tough decisions... If he is elected, I will stand behind him just like I would any other American President
It will be interesting to see the debates and how both candidates can sell themselves and what they truely believe will get our country back on track.
Erich
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Post by maggiemae on May 30, 2008 13:52:13 GMT -5
I am not an American but I am very interested in what happens in the US because we share a very long border and have had an abiding friendship since our differences were settled in the war of 1812. One of our Prime Ministers, Pierre Elliot Trudeau said “Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.”
So all I can do is hope that reason and judgment prevail.
Maggie
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Post by talfighel on Jun 4, 2008 8:00:36 GMT -5
CONGRATULATIONS to the Democratic Presidential nominee, Barack Obama. I am so happy for him and wishing him great success in winning and becoming the next US president. Tal
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Post by Lori G. on Jun 4, 2008 9:06:07 GMT -5
I can't believe that we are actually using this work at home and home based business forum to talk about politics. I have no desire to talk about this subject because I am not an American and I live in Beautiful Canada It seems you have changed your opinion of this thread. I wish I could share your enthusiasm Tal. Being a registered Democrat (who did not vote for Obama) I am less than happy with my choices for a leader of my country. My main concern is Obama's inexperience. Before this presidential race began, I had not heard his name or had any idea of who he was. I do hope that he chooses a running mate with more experience. I guess time will tell. Lori
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Post by Erich on Jun 7, 2008 9:19:02 GMT -5
This journalist is seeing things many people are missing.
A Black Columnist on Obama
Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun
It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.
We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.
The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."
Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francis co values, not Middle America values.
The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.
It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war. Subject: Kind of scary, wouldn't you think Remember--"God is good, and is in time, on time,every time."
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is:
The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is this anti-christ,.......... OBAMA??
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Post by Sandi Moses on Jun 29, 2008 20:01:18 GMT -5
I don't believe Barack Obama is the anti-Christ, but watching the ease with which he pulls the wool over peoples' eyes has made me realize how easy it will be for the anti-Christ when it is finally his time to appear.
Nevertheless, here is some more fuel for the fodder.
www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=157888
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